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From ‘Sesame Street’ to Vanderbilt
Research team help students understand math and science

Schauble, Lehrer, Lucas

by Princine Lewis
Leona Schauble’s first job after college was writing computer manuals for a software company. It was, however, her second job – writing for the creators of Sesame Street – that got her where she is today.

Rich Lehrer spent his early career years teaching high school science and serving as a school psychologist.

It was in Pittsburgh that the paths of the two crossed, leading to an eight-year collaboration that has brought them this fall to Peabody College where, as professors in the Department of Teaching and Learning, they are continuing their investigation of ways to improve math and science curriculums for elementary students.

“My job at Children’s Television Workshop and Sesame Street was how I got interested in education research,” Schauble said.

Because she worked in the research department, Schauble often served as an informal translator between the researchers and the television producers and writers for the show. “I’d get questions from the television writers and producers like, ‘What do you mean by divergent thinking?’”

She also frequently interviewed children to find out what they thought of the show. “Being a person from a large family, I thought I understood how children think pretty well; however, I realized that the tools I had were insufficient to really understand how children were learning from the show.”

She decided to pursue a master’s degree in developmental psychology at Columbia University while continuing to work for the show. Over the years at Children’s Television Network, she served as associate director of research for Sesame Street and director of research and development for Children’s Computer Workshop.

Eventually, she ended up as a research scientist at the Learning Research and Development Center at the University of Pittsburgh. At about the same time, Lehrer arrived in Pittsburgh on sabbatical from the University of Wisconsin to spend a year as a visiting professor at nearby Carnegie Mellon University.

“Rich came over to find out who was doing interesting work at the University of Pittsburgh and someone mentioned me,” Schauble said.

The following year, attracted by the University of Wisconsin’s reputation in education psychology, Schauble applied for and received an appointment at Wisconsin’s Department of Educational Psychology.

A year later, Lehrer asked Schauble to take a look at some data where children were learning about mathematics and science by programming robots. In other classes, children were conducting their own investigations of ideas in geometry. Schauble noticed: “The kids’ math and science performance was incredible. I thought, ‘Kids should not be reasoning that way.’” She accompanied Lehrer to the school where he was conducting these studies “to find out how this was happening, and I was hooked.”

For the past eight years, they have investigated the effects of model-based reasoning — the relationship between ideas and evidence — on the acquisition of math and science knowledge.

“We want to promote and understand more powerful forms of mathematics and science education, where students actively make sense of these disciplines, rather than being assigned to do problems in their textbook with no understanding of why they are doing these problems or how important ideas are related,” Lehrer said.

Lehrer and Schauble work in partnership with teachers to investigate how children’s thinking about modeling changes over prolonged periods of time: years, not days or weeks. The team’s research is unique because they often work with the same teachers and students for several years. Lehrer has worked with one Wisconsin school district for 18 years.

At Vanderbilt, Deb Lucas, Lehrer’s wife and one of the team’s teacher-collaborators, joins them. Lucas was a sixth-grade teacher who developed interdisciplinary approaches to the teaching of math, science, language arts and social studies. Having assisted in the development and use of model-based reasoning curriculums in the classroom, she will work with Lehrer, Schauble and others at Peabody to develop relationships with Tennessee’s teachers.

Before coming to Peabody, Lehrer held the Sears-Bascom Chair in the School of Education at the University of Wisconsin, and he served as an associate director of the National Center for Research for Improving Student Learning and Achievement in Mathematics and Science. He holds doctoral and master’s degrees in educational psychology and statistics from the University of New York at Albany, and a bachelor’s degree in biology from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.

Lehrer’s interest in education began with teaching high school chemistry, biology and unified science.

“I initially thought of teaching as an interlude before going on to graduate study in biology,” he said. “But by listening to my students, I discovered a much more interesting problem—how people learn.”

Lehrer continues his fundamental commitment to schooling by working with teachers and schools in Arizona, Alaska, and Wisconsin that educate populations that are typically neglected or otherwise underprivileged.

Schauble was also a professor in the Department of Educational Psychology at the University of Wisconsin before coming to Peabody. She holds doctoral and master’s degrees in developmental and educational psychology from Columbia University in New York and a bachelor’s degree in English from Bates College in Lewiston, Maine.

Schauble continues her involvement with Children’s Television Workshop as a consultant.

Posted on 9/23, 2002 at 12:30 p.m.

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